Ordinary Visionaries are everyday people who have put their visions into the world and taken action to make a difference.
These interviews are with self-employed professionals, consultants, coaches, trainers, speakers, and writers. I’ll also be interviewing artists, musicians, and other creative visionaries. Many have been past clients, friends, or members of my online community.
I start every interview with the question: “What makes you an Ordinary Visionary?” And we go from there.
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Nancy Boyd
In this episode of Ordinary Visionaries, Nancy Boyd, a coach and writer, shares her unique journey of overcoming personal and professional challenges. Nancy describes how she’s always had a heightened awareness, recalling vivid experiences from as early as infancy. This profound sense of being “different” shaped her life, leading her through struggles such as childhood abuse, academic rejection, alcoholism, and later, a severe bout with multiple sclerosis.
Despite these hardships, Nancy found strength in her visionary perspective, which allowed her to view life’s challenges as opportunities for deeper understanding and growth. After overcoming alcoholism and battling MS, Nancy pursued a career in coaching, guided by a passion for helping others discover and express their true selves.
Her coaching approach focuses on tapping into a person’s “soul” and inner truth to unlock their potential, moving beyond surface-level solutions to create meaningful change.
One of the most impactful stories Nancy shares involves a client named Steve, who was stuck in a soul-crushing corporate job. Through their coaching sessions, Steve reconnected with his passion for writing, sold his home, moved to a more suitable environment, and became a successful published author. This transformative experience illustrates Nancy’s belief in the power of aligning with one’s authentic desires and embracing change.
Nancy also explores the broader theme of “creating a world that no one needs to recover from,” emphasizing the importance of moving beyond anger, shame, and blame. She advocates for fostering love and possibility, which she believes are key to creating sustainable, joyful solutions for individuals and society.
Throughout the interview, Nancy and Robert reflect on the role of visionary thinking in navigating life’s complexities and the potential for a brighter, more expansive future.
Gary Jesch
Gary Jesch is a digital innovator and entrepreneur known for his work with interactive avatars and 3D graphics. Gary shares his unique journey, starting as a broadcast journalist in a small community and evolving into a pioneer in digital art and technology.
He discusses the challenges and opportunities he encountered as he built a career at the intersection of creativity and technology, especially in working with ad agencies, mining companies, and later, large corporations like AstraZeneca.
One of the highlights of Gary’s career was his innovative use of interactive avatars at trade shows, where he attracted crowds by having his avatars engage in real-time conversations with attendees. He describes how this experience took him all over the world, as he pushed the boundaries of technology, even investing in his own software and building a library of characters.
However, as the industry shifted towards more authentic interactions and less reliance on gimmicks, Gary found himself needing to pivot. He explored using his avatar technology for telehealth sessions with autistic children during the pandemic. He turned to new markets like providing remote attendance solutions for funerals and live-streaming services for musicians and businesses.
Gary reflects on the lessons learned from his entrepreneurial journey, emphasizing the need to constantly innovate and to balance financial risks with personal priorities. He credits Byron Katie’s method of questioning limiting beliefs for helping him navigate difficult periods, both personally and professionally.
As Gary continues to explore new opportunities, he remains committed to overcoming challenges and creating value for his clients while keeping his focus on what truly matters in his life.
Szifra Birke
In this engaging interview, Szifra Birke discusses her journey as an “ordinary visionary” influenced by her father, a Holocaust survivor and entrepreneur.
Szifra shares how her father’s unconventional encouragement—pushing her to introduce herself to David Ben-Gurion—instilled a lifelong belief that no one is more important than anyone else. This experience shaped her willingness to step out of the box in her personal and professional endeavors.
Szifra’s career began in psychotherapy, where she pioneered support groups for adult children of alcoholics at a time when such discussions were taboo. She then transitioned to becoming one of the first “financial behavior therapists” in wealth management offices, focusing on helping clients and financial professionals navigate emotionally charged money conversations.
This work gained recognition, even appearing on Business Week TV, showcasing her innovative approach.
She emphasizes how the value of money and services is subjective and often tied to personal context, sharing insights on pricing strategies from her experience in both her practice and her and her husband’s book, “In Tandem: Pedaling Through Midlife on a Bicycle Built for Two.”
Throughout the interview, Szifra offers rich reflections on relationships, money psychology, and her values-driven work.
The conversation transitions to personal anecdotes, such as Szifra’s experience sharing her story about names and identity on public radio, leading to unexpected opportunities and deeper connections with people from diverse backgrounds. She ends with a touching story about helping others, illustrating how small acts of kindness can have profound impacts on others’ lives.
Listeners will gain insights into personal growth, the complexities of value, and the importance of authenticity in professional and personal interactions. Szifra’s story serves as an inspiration for anyone looking to make a difference, whether in small ways or through larger visionary projects.
Szifra Birk’s Given Origin (short Video)
Browsing through Birke’s Movie
Morton Patterson
In this interview, Morton shares his journey from corporate IT to becoming a consultant focused on helping businesses recognize their true value. He discusses his challenges in understanding his worth, especially regarding pricing his services, and how this stemmed from limiting beliefs about self-worth.
Morton’s breakthrough came from shifting focus from just providing services to understanding and communicating the value of his impact on clients.
Key themes include the importance of self-esteem and challenging limiting beliefs. Morton emphasizes that many small business owners and consultants struggle with pricing because they underestimate the value they provide.
He uses a framework called the “Value Framework” to help clients see the transformative effect of their services. This helps them confidently charge fees that reflect the value of their work.
The conversation also covers the idea that pricing is not merely a number but a reflection of the value perceived by the client. Morton advises not to make decisions for the client by assuming they can’t afford certain prices. Instead, it’s about offering options and letting the client decide based on their perceived value and needs.
Storytelling is a major tool Morton uses to illustrate points and make his concepts relatable, often using real-life scenarios where clients shifted their mindset and succeeded. Overall, Morton’s message is that knowing and communicating one’s value, coupled with empathy and self-confidence, can transform how professionals approach their work and pricing, leading to greater client satisfaction and business success.
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Amy Todisco
In this engaging interview, Amy Todisco discusses her journey as an Ordinary Visionary, sharing insights from her lifelong dedication to living and promoting an eco-friendly, non-toxic lifestyle. Amy’s passion for nature, despite growing up in urban New York City, sparked her interest in holistic living and environmental activism.
Through personal experiences, such as discovering the harmful chemicals in everyday household products, Amy made it her mission to educate others on reducing toxic exposure.
The interview delves into Amy’s hands-on activism, including her work in organizing Earth Day events and advocating for stricter pesticide regulations in her community. She also shares practical, impactful tips for living a healthier, greener lifestyle, such as growing your own food, choosing organic products, and eliminating synthetic chemicals in household items.
Amy’s current work focuses on running an organic farm in Vermont with her fiancé, launching a podcast on green living, and offering courses that provide step-by-step guidance on adopting a holistic lifestyle.
She emphasizes that small, manageable changes, such as switching to non-toxic laundry detergents or growing vegetables at home, can make a significant difference in health and well-being.
Listeners will gain valuable insights into how living a more eco-friendly, toxin-free life can improve personal health and contribute to a more sustainable world.
Amy’s enthusiasm for sharing her knowledge and the joy she finds in seeing others embrace healthier choices is inspiring, making this conversation not only informative but also deeply motivating for those looking to make positive changes in their lives.
Green Living Now Mentoring & Retreats
Clifton Warren
In this interview with Clifton Warren, he shares his journey and insights into the financial services industry, particularly focusing on client acquisition and retention.
Clifton describes himself as an Ordinary Visionary due to his passion for helping financial professionals, particularly new ones, build a sustainable client base.
He emphasizes three key components necessary for success: market need, competence, and passion. Clifton’s primary focus is on guiding professionals, including insurance brokers, wealth advisors, and other independent professionals, to build ethical, sustaining client relationships, a skill often overlooked in today’s heavily regulated industry.
Clifton discusses the challenges faced by newer professionals, including the lack of guidance on acquiring and retaining clients in a competitive, compliance-driven environment. Drawing from his own experiences, Clifton developed a “playbook” that outlines essential processes such as client segmentation, continuation plans, and midterm reviews.
He stresses the importance of nurturing relationships with high-value clients through ongoing, meaningful interactions rather than focusing solely on sales.
One of Clifton’s core strategies involves shifting the focus from selling to serving clients. He advocates for proactive engagement with clients through structured processes, including regular touchpoints and stewardship reports.
This approach not only strengthens client relationships but also facilitates referrals, an area many professionals struggle with. Clifton teaches a non-intrusive, relationship-based method for requesting referrals, which he complements with advice on persistence and follow-up.
His philosophy underscores the importance of combining technical knowledge with sales and marketing skills, emphasizing that professionals must master both to thrive in the industry.
Rebecca Morgan
In this engaging interview, Rebecca Morgan, an author, consultant, and speaker, shares her inspiring journey as an Ordinary Visionary with her project Books for Treats. Rebecca explains how she began the initiative in 1995 to encourage people to give children books instead of candy on Halloween, providing a healthier and more meaningful treat.
Over the years, Books for Treats has grown, distributing 5,000 books annually in Rebecca’s community, and has expanded to other cities through volunteer efforts. The initiative has gained momentum, even catching the attention of a popular comic strip, Luann, which featured the project in a series of strips.
Rebecca also reflects on her impressive career, including writing 28 books, co-founding Speaker Net News, and pivoting to virtual presentations during the pandemic. She shares how she transformed her virtual sessions into interactive and engaging experiences, standing out from the typical “talking head” presentations that dominate the virtual space.
We also talked about how she mastered the process of recruiting interns during the pandemic to take on various projects and then helped others do the same.
Her approach has led to significant success, increasing her income and influence during a time when in-person events were impossible.
Additionally, Rebecca discusses how her recent foray into stand-up comedy has enriched her presentations, allowing her to inject humor into her sessions while keeping them dynamic and impactful.
Her creativity, dedication, and ability to adapt make this interview a must-listen for anyone interested in professional growth, public speaking, and making a meaningful difference through visionary ideas.
George Huang
In this interview, we explore the complex, often unpredictable journey of entrepreneurship through the lens of someone who has lived it—an ex-plastic surgeon turned entrepreneur.
George Huang discusses his ongoing quest to find the right solutions to make his business truly successful. Rather than presenting a polished, final formula for profitability, he opens up about the challenges and the messy reality of trying to innovate in the business world.
We delve into his unique approach, the “More Profit Operating System,” which aims to integrate profit, financial, sales, and marketing goals into a cohesive strategy. While the system is based on solid principles and common sense, he acknowledges that it’s not a one-size-fits-all answer.
Many business owners still resist adopting a more holistic, numbers-driven approach, opting instead for conventional methods that may feel safer but are often less effective. This leads to a broader discussion on why businesses fail to see their blind spots and the difficulty of persuading others to embrace a new way of thinking.
Throughout the conversation, we talk about the balance between intuition and data-driven decision-making, recognizing that true innovation often means pushing against the grain and facing a lot of uncertainty. George candidly shares his experiences of doubt, setbacks, and small victories, demonstrating that being a visionary is less about having all the answers and more about staying committed to finding them.
If you’re an entrepreneur or business owner grappling with similar uncertainties and searching for effective solutions, this discussion will resonate with you and inspire you to keep exploring your own path forward.
Richard Friesen
In this interview, Richard Friesen discusses his evolution from pursuing grandiose dreams to embracing a more grounded vision of life. He shares his varied career history, from being a glassblower to becoming a successful entrepreneur and trader.
Friesen highlights his talent for recognizing shifts in the market and being able to act on them, which he attributes to his visionary abilities. His experiences at the Pacific Stock Exchange, where he advocated for all-electronic trading and secured multiple patents, demonstrate his forward-thinking approach.
Friesen delves into the psychological and cultural dynamics of money, which he explores in his book, A Private Conversation with Money. He discusses the “three-chair exercise,” a practical tool he uses with clients to help them uncover their unconscious beliefs and emotions about money.
By visualizing money as “certificates of appreciation” rather than merely a financial commodity, Friesen encourages a mindset that focuses on delivering value to others. This shift, he argues, leads to genuine fulfillment and wealth.
The conversation also touches on broader societal issues, such as the cultural reliance on technology, fragmented communities, and the need for deeper human connections. Friesen advocates for the idea of a new spiritual revival, one based not on traditional religions but on meaningful, human-to-human connections.
He concludes by emphasizing the importance of living with intention, contributing to others, and reimagining our relationship with money and wealth. The interview closes with a discussion on the potential for ordinary visionaries to foster genuine conversations and connections that move beyond surface-level interactions.
A Private Conversation With Money Book
Terri Brinston
In this interview, Terri Brinston shares her journey of becoming an Ordinary Visionary dedicated to empowering youth and improving school healthcare environments. Initially, Terri disliked working with teenagers until a transformative experience with a young girl struggling to read led her to embrace her own learning disability and use her story to inspire others.
This experience ignited her passion for working with youth, eventually driving her to become a nurse and later an educator. After years of nursing, Terri transitioned to teaching, where she noticed a lack of comprehensive support systems for students’ healthcare needs in schools.
Recognizing these gaps, Terri founded her business, “My School Nurse,” to consult with schools on improving their medical policies, training staff, and ensuring a safe environment for students.
Her work addresses the 73% of schools without a full-time nurse, offering practical solutions to better handle emergencies, mental health issues, and daily health management.
Terri also launched a nonprofit, “Nurturing Wellness Group Foundation,” which focuses on helping students overcome barriers like mental health challenges, family incarceration, and homelessness.
Through her vision, Terri emphasizes the importance of holistic care in education—seeing students not just as learners but as whole individuals needing support in all aspects of life.
Her work advocates for proactive, inclusive policies in schools, bridging the gap between healthcare and education, and ensuring every child has the opportunity to thrive.
Grateful for the Journey – Surviving Covid 19
Carlos Quintero
This interview provides a deep dive into the unique approach of an Ordinary Visionary who integrates a holistic perspective in sales and business relationships. Coming from a multicultural background and starting his career at Procter & Gamble, the interviewee discusses his evolution from traditional sales to a more refined, client-centric approach that focuses on building trust and value.
He emphasizes the importance of being a “trusted advisor” rather than a conventional salesperson, distancing himself from the negative connotations often associated with selling.
One of his key insights is the significance of understanding a client’s business requirements holistically, crafting tailored solutions, and summarizing conversations meticulously to demonstrate value and understanding. His experiences at Xerox Learning Systems, where he honed his approach, laid the foundation for starting his own company in 1997. His desire for freedom and the challenge of creating something of his own were driving factors behind this decision.
He highlights his successful use of non-traditional sales strategies, such as crafting detailed, thoughtful summaries of meetings rather than standard proposals. He underscores the importance of patience, deep understanding, and strategic orchestration in business relationships. The interview also touches on his development of EKG (Empathy, Kindness, and Gratitude) as a business philosophy, which he believes is essential for creating a positive organizational culture and building strong, long-lasting relationships.
Listeners will gain valuable insights into how to transform their approach to business and sales by focusing on empathy, understanding, and genuine client engagement, as well as practical strategies for creating meaningful, impactful connections with clients.
Barney Feinberg
The interview with Barney Feinberg delves into his concept of “The Chemistry Factor,” which combines executive coaching with executive recruiting to focus on empowering values in relationships. Feinberg emphasizes that the key to successful hiring and professional relationships goes beyond skills; it involves understanding and aligning with the core values of the individuals involved.
He describes how the “Chemistry Factor” is about identifying personal values and using them to connect with others on a deeper level. Feinberg helps clients identify at least 20 personal values, which are unique to them and not generalized terms like “integrity.”
This approach moves away from conventional personality assessments like Myers-Briggs, arguing that values are more stable and provide a clearer framework for understanding compatibility and chemistry in professional settings.
Feinberg shares a story from his college tennis days to illustrate how a shift in perspective—triggered by a Grateful Dead song—led to a change in mindset from “playing not to lose” to “playing for fun,” resulting in unexpected success.
He relates this experience to how personal stories and music can trigger values and shift mindsets, empowering individuals to act from a place of inspiration rather than fear or constraint.
The interview also discusses how values like curiosity, sense of humor, service, and empathy can transform interpersonal dynamics. Feinberg encourages people to focus on shared values to foster connections rather than getting stuck on differences.
He provides practical advice for individuals to be more aware of their values and how to empower them in both personal and professional contexts, ultimately leading to more fulfilling and authentic lives.
In summary, Barney Feinberg’s interview explores how understanding and empowering one’s values can lead to better personal and professional relationships, improved decision-making, and a more fulfilled life.
Bill Welter
Bill Welter identifies as an Ordinary Visionary despite not typically envisioning grand futures. His leadership journey began in the Marine Corps, where his father’s advice to “take care of your troops” became a cornerstone of his leadership philosophy. This principle guided him through Vietnam and corporate life, emphasizing the importance of caring for people as the foundation of effective leadership.
Bill’s experiences in consulting revealed a key insight: leadership is less about intelligence and more about actions that prepare organizations for the future. He emphasizes the importance of imagination, reflection, and challenging assumptions, noting that these skills are often underutilized.
Bill argues that organizations must prioritize anticipating and adapting to change, citing the global unpreparedness for COVID-19 as a failure to observe and act on emerging risks.
He underscores the role of middle management, who are closest to the operational realities and often possess insights that senior leaders overlook. Bill advocates for empowering these managers and creating environments where they can voice their observations and ideas.
The discussion also touches on broader leadership challenges, such as the negative impact of greed and the importance of maintaining a moral code within organizations. Bill highlights the need for leaders to listen actively and be open to challenges, sharing stories that illustrate the value of humility and adaptability in leadership.
Ultimately, Bill’s vision of leadership is grounded in practical wisdom: taking care of people, thinking ahead, and acting decisively, all while remaining humble and receptive to new ideas.
Book: The Prepared Mind of a Leader
Ann Tardy
This interview with Ann Tardy delves into her journey as an entrepreneur and mentor. Ann shares how she transitioned from practicing law to launching a business focused on mentoring, driven by a passion for solving problems in a meaningful way. Her journey reflects the essence of being an Ordinary Visionary—seeing a need and taking action to make a difference.
Ann emphasizes the significance of mentoring in personal and professional growth. She discusses how her career evolved from dabbling in various topics to creating a specialized software platform for mentoring, which eventually led her to work extensively with healthcare organizations. She highlights the importance of adapting to her clients’ needs and the role of continuous learning and connection in her success.
The conversation also touches on the challenges mentors face, such as the need to understand their mentees’ goals, ask the right questions, and avoid imposing their own experiences. Ann’s reflections on mentoring underscore the value of being present, responsive, and flexible, and she shares how her weekly newsletter (my favorite!) has become a tool for staying connected and providing value to her audience.
The interview provides a rich exploration of the intersection between vision, action, and mentorship, offering insights into the power of nurturing relationships and staying adaptable in the face of changing circumstances.
Tom Huberty
In this interview with Tom Huberty, he shares his journey of continuous improvement and learning, rooted in a career that spans the Navy, Honeywell, and eventually his own consulting business, Huberty Performance Learning.
Tom’s story begins with a failed first attempt at college, leading him to join the Navy, where he gained his first college credits during the Vietnam War. This experience, along with influential mentors, shaped his approach to quality management and organizational excellence.
Tom discusses his work at Honeywell, where he transitioned from technical writing to quality management, eventually contributing to the broader quality movement in U.S. manufacturing. His career is marked by a commitment to process improvement and performance excellence, a theme that continued as he worked with organizations like Wilson Learning and Northwest Airlines.
Throughout the interview, Tom emphasizes the importance of mentors, the pursuit of excellence, and integrating personal values into professional life. He also reflects on the role of empathy and human relationships in business, drawing parallels between his professional experiences and his personal journey as a marathon runner and a cancer survivor.
Tom’s story highlights the power of continuous learning, mentorship, and a deep commitment to quality and integrity in both personal and professional arenas.
John Thompson
In this interview, John Thompson explains his role in the mortgage industry, emphasizing his approach to helping clients understand their financial situations and make informed decisions. He highlights his method of diving deep into clients’ visions and needs, going beyond transactional relationships to offer lifelong financial advice. John describes his process of assisting clients with various mortgage-related needs, from buying and refinancing homes to restructuring debt and planning for retirement with reverse mortgages.
He underscores the importance of understanding clients’ long-term goals and visions, often related to family and financial security. John details the educational aspect of his work, helping clients balance down payments, manage cash flow, and make strategic financial decisions. He also addresses the emotional and psychological aspects of money, noting how people’s financial stories and behaviors are shaped by their upbringing and experiences.
John discusses the challenges faced by young people and the disparities between income growth and housing costs. He also shares his passion for financial education, especially for younger generations, and his involvement in teaching financial literacy classes.
The interview concludes with John’s advice on aligning financial decisions with personal visions and the importance of seeking professional guidance to achieve financial security and fulfill life goals. John affirms his willingness to assist anyone, regardless of location, to navigate their financial journeys.
Tim Walz
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In this engaging and insightful virtual interview, Tim Walz, the recently nominated Vice Presidential candidate running alongside Kamala Harris, shared his vision for the future of America. Walz, known for his Midwestern roots and grassroots approach, emphasized the importance of unity, resilience, and community engagement in addressing the nation’s challenges.
Walz discussed his journey from a high school teacher and football coach to a prominent political figure, highlighting the values of hard work, humility, and service that have shaped his leadership style. He outlined his strategy for gaining national attention, focusing on grassroots engagement, consistent messaging, and leveraging long-standing relationships.
Emphasizing the critical juncture at which the country stands, Walz stressed the need to restore trust in democratic institutions, promote civil discourse, and address economic and social inequalities. He outlined key priorities such as climate action, healthcare access, and strengthening education, while acknowledging the immense challenge of achieving large-scale change in a divided nation.
Walz’s core message, “Together, We Rise,” encapsulates his belief in the power of unity and collective action. He calls for every American to participate in the democratic process, emphasizing that the future of the country depends on shared responsibility and cooperation.
The interview concluded with Walz expressing his commitment to being a role model and an authentic, relatable leader, dedicated to making a positive impact and inspiring the next generation. His optimistic and inclusive vision offers a hopeful path forward for all Americans.
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Gerrit Cloete
In this interview we focus on Gerrit Cloete’s experiences and philosophies around productivity and creativity. Gerrit discussed the importance of generating creative ideas and consistently putting them into action, despite sometimes losing interest in long-term projects. He emphasized the value of helping individuals and teams improve their productivity by focusing on “getting the right things done.”
A key topic was Gerrit’s philosophy of “be, do, have,” which involves beginning with a “to be” list rather than a “to-do” list, emphasizing the importance of values and being. This approach aligns with Stoic philosophy, particularly Epictetus’ idea of focusing on what is within our control.
Gerrit also shared practical productivity techniques, such as the “1-3-5 prioritizing method,” which involves focusing on one big task, three medium tasks, and five small tasks daily. He highlighted the pitfalls of multitasking, recommending “switch-tasking” and the importance of being present at the moment.
The conversation also touched on overcoming procrastination by engaging with tasks for at least 15 seconds, the significance of a structured yet flexible daily routine, and the importance of willingly accepting what is beyond one’s control. The interview concluded with reflections on Stoic principles, emphasizing emotional regulation and accepting life’s uncertainties.
Bernie Saunders